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Christmas Truths 2.0 by PoppyCorn99 Christmas Truths 2.0 by PoppyCorn99
PLEASE READ BEFORE CHECKING OUT THE COMMENT SECTION:

This is a NEW and IMPROVED version of my first 'Christmas Truths'. Big changes have been made, and because of that, comments from before today (Dec. 23, 2014) MAY NO LONGER APPLY to this post.

Anyways, I'm excited about Christmas, how about you guys? :D

*Bonus*
Check out 'The Little Drummer Boy' by Pentatonix!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ_MGW…

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Lol, know when you're juggling multiple thoughts at once, and you mix things up? Well, the New Testament was written in Greek, not Hebrew, and I just fixed that little typo. :blush:

/EDIT


I love learning technical stuff about the Bible like this - I never knew that mangers in that time period were actually made of stone! o_O

I was afraid I wouldn't finish in time; I just finished finals last Wednesday, and I've been helping out at home a lot - I really only had about 21/2 days to make this from scratch, so sorry if it looks sloppy in some parts ^^;

It's true: There is nothing Christian about the origin of Christmas itself. There are debates about what exactly were the original traditions, but scholars/historians/etc all seem to agree that it was originally a pagan celebration, until the Catholic church incorporated it into its system so that the church could become more united amongst their members and pagans. It made it easier to "convert" pagans, because their holidays were going on at the same time as the new "Christmas", so they really could just go on with their own traditions.
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tylerneyens Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2014  New member Hobbyist Digital Artist
Really great collection of Truths.  Thanks for sharing!
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mangaaddict300 Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
YES!!!! the truth!!
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OurHands Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Awesome!

Happy (late?) Birthday, Jesus.
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Nik322 Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014
This answers alot of discussions I had yesterday.
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MerryellaBrandybuck Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014  Hobbyist
Amazing! And you know what? I've read some of those facts in czech cristian magazine recently, so thank you for reminding them to me :D
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Hina-Monoko Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wow! Many things I didn't knew or I didn't even think about it. Nice job! Thanks for posting it :)
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Airanke Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Wow!! This is actually really cool?!?!?! So neat! Thanks for posting!!
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Belote-Art Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Very informative.  great job on this.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014
An additional fact: "The little drummer boy" shown in the nativity scene didn't even exist at all. He comes purely from the song.
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yep, it's ironic that I like that song so much :D
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014  Student General Artist
Merry Christmas, and happy holidays to everybody!
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Emberblue Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Amazing job on this!!!!!  :clap:  I love it.  You hit on some very important unknown truths. And the images you chose were beautiful.  I love your simple and easy to understand way of explaining things. :D

Merry Christmas!!!  :love:
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EdenEvergreen Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014
Nice update! :nod:

Merry Christmas Sign
May you have a safe, healthy and happy Christmas, followed by a glorious new year. ;P
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SteamRailwayCompany Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Very intriguing! Merry Christmas to you! 
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Weregaruru Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
... Welp, this blew my mind open like an unstable nuke. Dang, the Lord has made you smart to be this insightful! Nice!
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
NOTICE: COMMENTS OLDER THAN THIS ONE MAY NO LONGER APPLY, AS THE POST HAS BEEN UPDATED.
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Crazy-Eel Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, this is very interesting information!
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dorkinabubble Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2013  Student General Artist
This is so much fun to read :D makes me wanna do one myself!
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'd love to see you make one too! :highfive:
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EdenEvergreen Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2013
Christ's coming can be celebrated any day of the year. So why should Dec 25 be excluded? ;P

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Each of us must choose where to put our own faith. Are we placing our faith in the Scripture, and in Christ, and perhaps a little bit in things that can be historically proven (where the Bible itself remains silent)... or are we placing our faith into traditions?

While traditions can be positive, they can also be historically inaccurate. If we place too much weight upon traditions that lack factual foundation, our faith can be shaken when facts opposing those traditions come to light.

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I think it was Charles ("Chuck") Swindoll, with a handful of other pastors, who went digging through ancient records (in the original languages, which I can neither speak nor read) out of curiosity. They wanted to separate truth from tradition.

Here is part of what they found (to the best of my recollection, so please feel free to research and verify): **

Shepherds in that era only watched their flocks in the fields by night during lambing. In that region, lambing happened during April and October.

They traced when the census took place, and the dates of the mandatory Census eliminate April as a possibility for when He might have been born.

This means that Jesus would have been born sometime in October, based upon the historical records about the census and the times when Shepherds would be out among their flocks at night.

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There seems to be some disagreement on precisely when the star appeared with relation to His birth. It partly depends on what each group thinks caused the extra-bright star to appear in the sky...

Some think it was two (or three) stars (or nearby planets) aligning in a way that made the appearance of a single extra-bright star.

Others think a star expanded and later exploded (thus the disappearance of the star).

Still others have theorized that it may have been a vision that had no physical cause.

*shrugs unknowingly* At this point in history, so many centuries later, it may not be possible to prove conclusively what happened in the night skies over the middle-east at that time.

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One study indicated that the Magi were probably Babylonians. They may have been part of a set of scholars, magicians and astrologers who would study things like the stars in the sky to determine when "it was written in the heavens" that a king was born, or would shortly be born.

If that study is accurate, the Magi were not themselves kings, but instead the designated "King-makers" for their culture.

The fact that Scriptures record them reporting to the current king first would tend to support this theory.

The Magi assumed (incorrectly) that the newborn king would most likely be the current king's son or nephew. Based upon that incorrect assumption, they expected that the king would know exactly where the child was that they had come to honor.

Since he knew the prophecies, Herod knew where to send them to look.

Since Philippians 2:10-11 states that every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord ... it doesn't bother me that these men might not have been following God when they set out to meet the newborn Christ. Their arrival might have been God's way of signalling to the world, in the language of the day, that this baby really is King.

I hope that -- regardless of their religion when they began their journey -- the Magi had things figured out correctly by the end of their trip. :)

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I have also previously run across numerous historical references about the current date for "Christ Mass" being placed in December for the purpose of making it difficult for people to be hypocrites... either be a Christian or be a Pagan. Don't try to do both at the same time. Either come to church to celebrate Christ, or else go out carousing with the pagans.

Most of the liturgical calendar holidays were placed on what current generations know as their "traditional dates" for similar reasons.

St. Valentine's Day was assigned to Feb 14 to compete with Lupercon (sp?) (a highly promiscuous fertility celebration, where red was the festival color). Valentine was known for writing small, encouraging messages to his friends... even after he was in prison. Those friendly messages of encouragement were called "Valentines." The "competing" traditions got blended into the holiday as we know it now.

The celebration of Christ's resurrection was placed not to align with Passover (historically accurate), but instead to compete with the annual emergence of a pagan patroness of spring. Her symbols include rabbits and eggs. A variation on her Egyptian name (she appears almost identically in other pantheons, also) is the title for that holiday. Another case of "competition" resulting in blended traditions.

Choosing to celebrate Christian events at the same time as pagan holidays, regardless of historical accuracy, was a very common practice during the centuries when the liturgical calendar was being established.

In fact, that practice is usually considered "common knowledge" among those who research such things. ;P

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Oh, and for whatever it may be worth... though I live far from the Mediterranean, the local climate is described as "cool Mediterranean." There are an assortment of plants that grow in this region that also grow around the Mediterranean -- but in very few other places.

It is not unheard-of for snow to appear in this region as early as late September, especially in higher altitude areas. A little higher up, it's uncommon to get through October without snow.

So "snow on the ground," even if that proved to be historically accurate, would not require the date to be as late as December.

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However, precisely when He was born is less important than the fact that He was born, and that He lived among us, and all the things He taught us, and why He died and rose again. :aww:

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** I would re-research these things myself and cite references, but my health has been so bad lately that I can't sit up that long. Sorry. :blushes: Perhaps providing what I recall will be enough for others to find the information themselves?
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I see nothing wrong with keeping some traditions--as long as it does interfere with truth. ^^

In Jesus' day, they still used the Hebrew calender, and the Hebrew month Tishri lines up with September/October approximately, so it is accurate to what you said. I don't think they would keep the sheep indoors with some snow outside, especially where it's common, but I think that during especially cold times of the year, and most especially during lambing, that they would keep the sheep in shelter. Winter in Israel begins around September/October and often reaches its peek in January or February. So if they were out with the sheep during September/October, either there was little to no snow, or it just wasn't bad enough to keep them inside.

There is a wonderful woman of God that mentions in her book The Desire of Ages that the star could've actually been a group of angels in chapter 6. It's free online, and is a wonderful read! ^^

I don't doubt the possibility that the wise men could've been from Babylon, but since its fall in 539 BC., it remained a province of Persia until 650 BC., which is why I felt it was unnecessary to list the possibilities of them being "Persians" or "Babylonians"

Oh yes, pretty much all of the holidays we have today came from pagan origins, I've known that for a very long time. :) Regarding Christmas, the church members would participate in the pagan customs instead of being in the church, and the leaders ended up having their own celebration as well as a way of not only trying to keep the members in, but also to make it easier for non-Christians to join; it was an intermingling of traditions, you could say.

Definitely. Knowing what day Jesus was born is not necessary for our salvation, and if it is something that gets in the way spiritually, it's better to just drop the topic and work on your spiritual relationship instead. :D

**No worries, we all have our bad days. That reminds me, I totally forgot to leave my sources at the bottom of my page--I'll have to work on that. ^^
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EdenEvergreen Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2013
*whispers*

Looks like there's a typo in the first sentence... "--as long as it does not interfere with truth" was what you meant, yes? :)

That was the primary intent of my rather long-winded missive, also. :nod:
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol yes, my bad XD I meant to say doesn't.  Thank you for clearing that up for anyone else reading this! :D
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CBrengan Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
very nice research! In case the nativity image above is not yours, you might want to give credit to the artist in the comments.  I really enjoyed reading this. :clap:
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes, that is why it says, "artist unknown" right underneath it. I've had that image saved on my computer for about a year or so, and I can't find it online again to figure out who the artist is :( As soon as I figure it out, or if someone finds it and lets me know, I will be sure to give credit, just like I did for the wise men painting.

I'm glad you enjoyed it~ :D
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CBrengan Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013  Professional General Artist
If I stumble onto it I'll let you know! :)
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you - I'll keep a lookout and see who'll find it first :D
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Rane-mutt Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Student General Artist
ah!thank you!my dad was looking for something like this to prove it to my family,who believe in Christmas even though they know!!
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Glad to hear it's helped you guys :D I hope it'll do your family some good~ ^^
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Rane-mutt Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Student General Artist
no problem!and thanks,i do too
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mbrsart Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Another interesting fact: the Wise Men were more than just that. The word magos (appearing 6 times in the NT) is an umbrella term that includes wise men, teachers, physicians, astrologers, dream interpreters, soothsayers, magicians and sorcerers. In Acts 13, the same word is used to refer to the false prophet Barjesus and the magician Elymas.

I speculate that the word was translated as "wise man" in Matthew so as to distance the Eastern visitors from the occult. Similarly, the word βαπτίζω ("baptizō") means "cleanse by immersing in water," but in the KJV it got translated as "baptize" so that it would conform to the Church of England's doctrine of sprinkling.
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, that's very interesting! I can see why they would want a distinction in the translation for the wise men; it could've been misleading to readers later on. Thanks for the input! ^^

But like you mentioned, not all changes in translation are for the better. ^^;
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e-cheeze Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2013  Student General Artist
wow, that was testing
*FAVS*
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It's always good to make people think! ^^
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CherrySapphire Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
DAT ANKLE. lol xD

Wow, this is interesting!
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol that was a last-minute decision I made - I hope no one was offended! :D

I'm glad you liked it ^^
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CherrySapphire Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
I can see from the comments that some people were offended; I think you handle it well. Don't let it discourage you! God bless :D
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, I'm glad you think that about me; I think the most important thing a Christian can do is show God through his/her character. Thank you for the encouragement :aww:
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Josh592 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013   Writer
And since you sources are apparently more important to you than the Bible you're supposed to be right.

Go read.

Don't contact me.
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Dude, chill out! Christmas is not celebrated in the Bible, so how can I look to it for answers in it regarding that?  All I'm saying is that when researching information not mentioned in the Bible, we can't rely on just anyone, we have to look for trusted sources; anyone who has written research essays in college knows this. I'm not angry at you, I'm just saying that we all, including myself, have to be careful when it comes to things like this.

I consider the Bible 100% truth, and nothing will change that, but I don't read the Bible if I want to learn physics, do I? But I also don't ask a stranger off the street to teach me physics; I find a physics teacher who has spend many years studying physics. That is what we should do with everything the Bible doesn't teach.

Don't worry, I won't talk to you again if you don't want me to, but just remember that a Christian shouldn't lose his/her temper as soon as a disagreement arises, okay? We can all learn to disagree agreeably, yes?

God bless you on your walk of life~
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Josh592 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013   Writer
Um.... Where did you find this alleged Christmas "truth"?
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Umm, research? Why, do you have some input? Do you disagree with something?
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Josh592 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013   Writer
Yeah, I'm fairly certain there was snow on the ground when Jesus was born, ergo it wasn't September.

Also worth noting that sheep have to be tended year 'round hot or cold.
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Where did you hear about there being snow?
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Josh592 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013   Writer
I found it on a trusted site.
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, would you like to share the site with me?
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Josh592 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013   Writer
Fist I want to know where you "figured" it was a pagan Holiday.
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I've read about six scholarly articles from EBSCO
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AndySimmons Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013  Student Photographer
This is wonderful :) Great work and research
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you~
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